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« on: December 30, 2005, 11:28:54 PM »
hi guys,
I have 2 admit that my mechanical knowledge is not huge. I would like to ask u z following:
How would i make my base 350 engine more powerfull on take off without modifying 2 much the engine....the car is all original and i really really would like 2 have more power...
what do u guys recommend? some1 mentioned extractors....what would be the budget? any recommendation?
thanks

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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2005, 12:10:38 AM »
How much are you spending????? lots of little things can add up to better horsepower!
Do you want to stay original?
What sort of hp are you looking at?
Why not buy a crate engine with guarenteed horsepower rating and store the original one!
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2005, 12:21:32 AM »
Budget $ 3000-$5000...i do want 2stay original if possible...
crate engine...do i have to change bonnet or modify anything?

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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2005, 10:57:44 AM »
I'd definitely try get an idea about how much more power you want (or how fast you want your car to be) before you spend any money on mods.  Nothing worse then spending money on something that is redundant because it won't get you what you want.

New extractors can soak up between $900-$1700 (depends on what you get).  Extractors will probably give you 10-15hp at best.  If you get extractors makje sure you get good ones (ie: don't sit too close to the ground, have well radiused connectors, allow spark plug access, and are preferably ceramic coated for heat control (add about $300 for ceramic coating).

Given your budget I'd consider a matched exhaust (if necessary), intake, carb and cam with what you have at the moment.  

Changing the rocker ratio can also be cheap horsepower if you are only looking for a relatively small gain (instead of a cam change).

If you want a bit more "pep" you could also consider a diff ratio change for better acceleration (although your highway cruising rpm will suffer).

Just a few thoughts, I'm sure a few others here will have some good ideas.
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2005, 06:21:00 PM »
extra 100 hp i guess...i probably need more than $5000 hey?

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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2006, 12:46:50 AM »
yeah for about 5000 you will only get bits and pieces,which wont add up to kick in the pants horsepower! Thats why I say - keep this engine! if you want original! dont mess with it too much, The only thing you can do if you want extra hp is make changes internally! which will still cost more than $5000 to do properly.
Dont go the cheap way,there are people who will do it cheap BUT you pay for what you get!
 Again this is why I come back to crate engines,they come with warrenties!!!!! you get big bang for your buck and you keep your oringinal engine how its suppose to be!! instead of paying for bits and pieces with little gain, save a little extra and get a decent engine. In most cases you cant have ORIGINAL and WORKED in the same sentence!

examples.... http://www.shafiroff.com/434_595_engine.asp

http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=crate+engine&searchinresults=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=115&target=egnsearch.asp

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/ZZ383-Crate-Engine-425HP-12498772-P764C2.aspx

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/nbspnbspSmall-Blocks-C53.aspx?UserID=418326&SessionID=7OYTCZ6ybsp5jTOdZfrE

http://www.amerspeed.com/cgi-bin/showengines.cgi?EngineTypeID=3

These are $US .These are just a few of the thousands of examples!

Top > Performance Engines > ZZ383 Crate Engine 425HP
12498772


 

PRICE: $4,892.99 :spook:spook Thats roughly $6800Aussie!! plus say $1000 shipping (no duty cause made in US) BARGAIN! This will vertually bolt straight in!

 
ZZ383 Crate Engine 425HP 12498772 Description  
With GM's legendary Fast Burn cylinder heads and 383 cubic inches, the ZZ383/425 delivers incredible torque with smooth, linear delivery.

If your're looking for a small-block package that delivers big-block power, then you've found it.
425 horsepower at in incredibly low 5400 RPM, and 460 ft.lbs of torque at 4500 RPM make this the ideal hot street engine.

The excellent air handling and combustion characteristics of the Fast Burn cylinder heads combined with the ZZ383/425's 3.800" stroke, make this engine the benchmark against which all other 383 inch small-blocks should be measured. And its tough, too.

The 4340 nitrided and induction hardened crank and unique forged PM rods see to that.
The 9.1 to 1 compression ratio ensures that the ZZ383/425 is 92 octane pump gas friendly.

The ZZ383/425 gets a stout .509/.528 lift steel camshaft with 222/230 duration at .050 lift. Hydraulic roller lifters and GM's time tested 1.5 to 1 roller rocker arms round ou the valve train.
And, of course, it has the Fast Burn head's lightweight stainless steel valves and retainers for reliable performance at extended RPM.

GM's testing was completed using a GM single plane intake, P/N 12496822 and a 750 CFM Demon carburetor with mechanical secondaries.
Test header specs are: 1 3/4" primairies,33 inches long with a 4-inch collectors.

GM dual plane intake P/N 12366573 may be used for hood clearance on the ZZ383/425, but it results in a decrease in peak horsepower of approximately 15-20 horsepower.
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2006, 01:04:53 AM »
thanks for the advise 69 dirty rat...i definetly have some thinking to do...it is definelty better option to leave the original engine intact....thanks again



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Originally posted by 69 DIRTY RAT
yeah for about 5000 you will only get bits and pieces,which wont add up to kick in the pants horsepower! Thats why I say - keep this engine! if you want original! dont mess with it too much, The only thing you can do if you want extra hp is make changes internally! which will still cost more than $5000 to do properly.
Dont go the cheap way,there are people who will do it cheap BUT you pay for what you get!
 Again this is why I come back to crate engines,they come with warrenties!!!!! you get big bang for your buck and you keep your oringinal engine how its suppose to be!! instead of paying for bits and pieces with little gain, save a little extra and get a decent engine. In most cases you cant have ORIGINAL and WORKED in the same sentence!

examples.... http://www.shafiroff.com/434_595_engine.asp

http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=crate+engine&searchinresults=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=115&target=egnsearch.asp

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/ZZ383-Crate-Engine-425HP-12498772-P764C2.aspx

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/nbspnbspSmall-Blocks-C53.aspx?UserID=418326&SessionID=7OYTCZ6ybsp5jTOdZfrE

These are $US .These are just a few of the thousands of examples!

Top > Performance Engines > ZZ383 Crate Engine 425HP
12498772


 

PRICE: $4,892.99 :spook:spook Thats roughly $6800Aussie!! plus say $1000 shipping (no duty cause made in US) BARGAIN! This will vertually bolt straight in!

 
ZZ383 Crate Engine 425HP 12498772 Description  
With GM's legendary Fast Burn cylinder heads and 383 cubic inches, the ZZ383/425 delivers incredible torque with smooth, linear delivery.

If your're looking for a small-block package that delivers big-block power, then you've found it.
425 horsepower at in incredibly low 5400 RPM, and 460 ft.lbs of torque at 4500 RPM make this the ideal hot street engine.

The excellent air handling and combustion characteristics of the Fast Burn cylinder heads combined with the ZZ383/425's 3.800" stroke, make this engine the benchmark against which all other 383 inch small-blocks should be measured. And its tough, too.

The 4340 nitrided and induction hardened crank and unique forged PM rods see to that.
The 9.1 to 1 compression ratio ensures that the ZZ383/425 is 92 octane pump gas friendly.

The ZZ383/425 gets a stout .509/.528 lift steel camshaft with 222/230 duration at .050 lift. Hydraulic roller lifters and GM's time tested 1.5 to 1 roller rocker arms round ou the valve train.
And, of course, it has the Fast Burn head's lightweight stainless steel valves and retainers for reliable performance at extended RPM.

GM's testing was completed using a GM single plane intake, P/N 12496822 and a 750 CFM Demon carburetor with mechanical secondaries.
Test header specs are: 1 3/4" primairies,33 inches long with a 4-inch collectors.

GM dual plane intake P/N 12366573 may be used for hood clearance on the ZZ383/425, but it results in a decrease in peak horsepower of approximately 15-20 horsepower.

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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2006, 01:18:32 PM »
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Originally posted by 69 DIRTY RAT
yeah for about 5000 you will only get bits and pieces,which wont add up to kick in the pants horsepower! Thats why I say - keep this engine! if you want original! dont mess with it too much, The only thing you can do if you want extra hp is make changes internally! which will still cost more than $5000 to do properly.
Dont go the cheap way,there are people who will do it cheap BUT you pay for what you get!
 Again this is why I come back to crate engines,they come with warrenties!!!!! you get big bang for your buck and you keep your oringinal engine how its suppose to be!! instead of paying for bits and pieces with little gain, save a little extra and get a decent engine. In most cases you cant have ORIGINAL and WORKED in the same sentence!

examples.... http://www.shafiroff.com/434_595_engine.asp

http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=crate+engine&searchinresults=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=115&target=egnsearch.asp

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/ZZ383-Crate-Engine-425HP-12498772-P764C2.aspx

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/nbspnbspSmall-Blocks-C53.aspx?UserID=418326&SessionID=7OYTCZ6ybsp5jTOdZfrE

http://www.amerspeed.com/cgi-bin/showengines.cgi?EngineTypeID=3

These are $US .These are just a few of the thousands of examples!

Top > Performance Engines > ZZ383 Crate Engine 425HP
12498772


 

PRICE: $4,892.99 :spook:spook Thats roughly $6800Aussie!! plus say $1000 shipping (no duty cause made in US) BARGAIN! This will vertually bolt straight in!

 
ZZ383 Crate Engine 425HP 12498772 Description  
With GM's legendary Fast Burn cylinder heads and 383 cubic inches, the ZZ383/425 delivers incredible torque with smooth, linear delivery.

If your're looking for a small-block package that delivers big-block power, then you've found it.
425 horsepower at in incredibly low 5400 RPM, and 460 ft.lbs of torque at 4500 RPM make this the ideal hot street engine.

The excellent air handling and combustion characteristics of the Fast Burn cylinder heads combined with the ZZ383/425's 3.800" stroke, make this engine the benchmark against which all other 383 inch small-blocks should be measured. And its tough, too.

The 4340 nitrided and induction hardened crank and unique forged PM rods see to that.
The 9.1 to 1 compression ratio ensures that the ZZ383/425 is 92 octane pump gas friendly.

The ZZ383/425 gets a stout .509/.528 lift steel camshaft with 222/230 duration at .050 lift. Hydraulic roller lifters and GM's time tested 1.5 to 1 roller rocker arms round ou the valve train.
And, of course, it has the Fast Burn head's lightweight stainless steel valves and retainers for reliable performance at extended RPM.

GM's testing was completed using a GM single plane intake, P/N 12496822 and a 750 CFM Demon carburetor with mechanical secondaries.
Test header specs are: 1 3/4" primairies,33 inches long with a 4-inch collectors.

GM dual plane intake P/N 12366573 may be used for hood clearance on the ZZ383/425, but it results in a decrease in peak horsepower of approximately 15-20 horsepower.


Also note that you still need to buy your extractors, intake, carb and dizzy on top of that engine purchase figure.

Also as a side not is it just me that finds it interesting that the test motor used here used 4" collectors to get it's power figures?
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2006, 05:33:22 PM »
1 3/4 prim. 4 inch collector they are the measurements for Small Block Hooker sidepipes - engine to exit! So theyre not that abnormally big! I think it does come with manifold,carby,dizzy! I just didnt put on the thread!Some of the other packages are complete turnkey also!
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2006, 08:59:50 PM »
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1 3/4 prim. 4 inch collector they are the measurements for Small Block Hooker sidepipes - engine to exit! So theyre not that abnormally big! I think it does come with manifold,carby,dizzy! I just didnt put on the thread!Some of the other packages are complete turnkey also!


Ouch! I'm new to sidepipes but with the horspeower that motor is putting out it really doesn't need anything bigger than a 3" collector based on the maths behind things.  Just an observation, I'm sure those guys have a better idea of what they are doing than I do.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2006, 09:08:01 PM »
wow...overwhelming replies! thanks heaps...will conider all options...

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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2006, 10:02:27 PM »
Unless you are building a specific type of motor (as i am for my vette) you can't beat these crate motors for bang for your bucks. I recently bought a crate motor from Suburban Imports in Brookvale NSW for my project Camaro and seriously you couldn't rebuild your motor for what it costs to just buy a brand new one and they have a 1 year garantee.
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2006, 10:04:44 PM »
what is ur project? what r u building? tell us mate

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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2006, 10:13:50 PM »
I'd agree! You can get alot of motor for your money with them. Just remember that extractors and a good free flowing
exhaust are essential, so why not get the exhaust first? Who knows... with a bit more power and the accompanying sound of a sweet chevy you may just be happy with that for the time being! And if yours is running sweetly then what more could you ask for on a nice cruise!

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« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2006, 10:21:46 PM »
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what is ur project? what r u building? tell us mate
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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2006, 10:42:22 PM »
And if you wanted more get-up-and-go without pulling the engine out, i'd have a leak-down compression test done first and if compression and valve seats are fine then i'd throw on an Edelbrock Performer inlet manifold, put in a mild cam with something around 440" lift and 280 duration with anti pump-up lifters, valve springs to suit and a good timing chain and get the original rochester jetted to suit. Check your oil pump and water pump are up to scratch and give her a full service with good leads, plugs etc. Can all be done fitted in the car, will come in well under 5 grand... prob more like 2-3grand....and will make a very nice power increase. With the exhaust that would take you up to your 5grand limit and is about as far as i personally would go before pulling her out for a freshen-up or a replacement crate engine.

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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2006, 05:06:58 PM »
Eagle Spares in Sydney & Melbourne have many GM crate engines as well! Also if you put the original covers back on and paint the engine to original colour....guarentee 99% of people would think its an original engine! but now its a stealth monsta!
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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2006, 05:09:08 PM »
would u mind providing their details....and post in the corvette related in the subject of list of suppliers...thank you


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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2006, 05:35:45 PM »
UR THE MAN!!!! WELL DONE