thanks mate, i do also have a c4 with 18" wheels, and i was told the offset is very big on that, but my main issue is that i was told that the stud pattern varies, so i was going to get 2" spacers that fit a c3 then the other end will be a c4/holden/bmw pattern, then i have a much greater choice when picking the wheels for the c3. so from what you know, you think c3 and c4 stud patterns are the same?? i can see a very deep dish on the c3 standard wheels, i'm sure not many other wheels will fit, but then by doing this i might have a lot more options. Thanks again.