bob,looks like i'll be bringing the V.W. transporter up now,decided to do the u bute detail on the black beauty myself so she'll be in storage down here for a couple of weeks,btw looks like we might have some company, greg who did my conversion wants to come along to, he's a wealth of info on cars in general.will talk soon about a rendevous time and place, cheers;);););););) ps now to look for your detailing site??????