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Stingraynut · « **on:** January 05, 2006, 03:38:55 PM »

1988 Auto

My master brake cylinder is marked PBR Made in Australia - does anyone know what recon kit will fit it?

I'm having some strange problems with the brakes, partially binding, seems to be heat related - for those interested full post here
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?p=1553408808#post1553408808

S'nut

jolinari · « **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2006, 03:55:21 PM »

y dont u give them a call...have u tried?
http://www.pbr.com.au

Stingraynut · « **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2006, 04:55:00 PM »

thanks jolinari, what a good idea! I've called them but they are already closed for the day due to the time difference.

I'll try again tomorrow

I've spoken to a brake workshop here and they say from my description that it is most likely a 'rubber reaction disc' in the M/C - can't see one in the manual.

Which is why I'd like to find out as much as possible for myself - I doubt that I am the first person to have to recondition their master cylinder.

S'nut

jolinari · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2006, 05:13:54 PM »

i just changed mine recently...the kit was about $70 for vette 72 but i said stuff it change it to new one so i changed the whole unit for $169.00 and at least i can track things in my log book....it depends on ur budget dude...and dont forget to change that oil inside once a year....very hygroscopic stuff!!! watch out and pretty damaging to the hands as well;-)

Stingraynut · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2006, 05:30:43 PM »

$169 - I'd change mine too, but they're $364 for the 1988 at Pontiworld

I've had the fluid changed 3 times, and I don't believe any of the 3 different workshops did a full flush - I had brake fade last week coming down a simple 200 metre road.

I shall have to do it myself, like all the other jobs.

S'nut

jolinari · « **Reply #5 on:** January 05, 2006, 05:34:18 PM »

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Stingraynut · « **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2006, 06:01:02 PM »

wow, that's a comprehensive list!!! thanks

I see several familair names there - I've saved it, very handy

I'll check tomorrow and see if anyone has kits for the 1988 M/C

S'nut

MADVET · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2006, 07:06:08 PM »

I had the exact same problem a few years ago. The brakes would work fine until they were warmed up then when you used the brake they wouldn't release after you lifted of the brake. I ended up sitting on the side of the road until it cooled enough to release the brakes then i would drive it home trying not to use the brakes.
Problem ended up being a worn and binding master cylinder. You could actually see the brake fluid had gone a slightly darker colour at the M/C. I ended up replacing the M/C and flushing the complete brake system and havn't had a problem since. I was advise at the time not to bother with a rebuild kit and to just buy a new M/C.

jolinari · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2006, 07:35:55 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Stingraynut
wow, that's a comprehensive list!!! thanks

I see several familair names there - I've saved it, very handy

I'll check tomorrow and see if anyone has kits for the 1988 M/C

S'nut

TAKE MY ADVISE AND BUY NEW ONE! MATE IT IS LIKE CARTRIDGES U CAN GET REFILL BUT HEY IF U LUV UR VETTE, TREAT IT WELL SO U WONT LOOK LIKE A CLOWN ON A RUN OR A CRUISE

BlueVette · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2006, 07:54:26 PM »

I too had brake problems on my 92. After removing and disassembling the M/C, seals piston and cylinder bore looked like new. It was that pressure switch thing that caused the trouble, a pin inside the switch had corrosion damage and let breakfluid bypass somewhere resulting in loss of braking power (pedal to metal with very little deceleration force = very scary):grr

I bought a brand new M/C at the local Repco shop for exactly 300 bucks and braking is almost good now. I'm still not happy with performance of vette brakes, my 91 Fairlane brakes are much better! Could there be a problem with the brake booster? or the pads?(Raybestos ceramic enhanced with original disks)

Here the M/C details:

PBR M/C K213-022C (might be the same as 88)

Repco order number = B227032

Stingraynut · « **Reply #10 on:** January 06, 2006, 10:29:04 AM »

PBR were very helpful, the kit part number is K8346X and is supposed to be for an 86-88 vette.

I'll report back when the job is done

Thanks for all the help here.

S'nut

jolinari · « **Reply #11 on:** January 06, 2006, 12:02:36 PM »

pleasure :)

MADVET · « **Reply #12 on:** January 06, 2006, 02:11:47 PM »

It seems unusual that PBR list the same part number for 86-88 when according to the Ponti-world website it appears that the 88 M/C is different to the 86-87 M/C. They may well use the same kit however it might be worth checking.

Vette Obsessed · « **Reply #13 on:** January 06, 2006, 02:23:59 PM »

From memory the reservoirs are different.

86-87 has one reservoir which feeds both front and rear ports while 88-90 has two seperate reservoirs (one for each port).

Both should be interchangable. I have a single reservoir on my car after the workshop that changed it in about 1999 (before I started doing my own work) used an earlier reservoir...

ozpont · « **Reply #14 on:** January 06, 2006, 06:19:08 PM »

G'day.. I just saw this and figured theres room for a bit of help... ..

1st: Its BRAKES your dealing with .. not a stereo or a gear knob... and as your life, your passengers and everybody else on the road depends on "Brakes".. never lone your car itself.. why are we so close to the mark on this stuff.. Regardless of who has what at what price.. its tough when your car doesn't start.. but deadly when it doesn't stop... ..
.. enough of the lecture.. you don't need it.. your all wise enough.

The 7/8th bore PBR M/Cyl, ( which are produced under strict USA GM Licensee hence why PBR here will not normally sell them) used on 86-87 Corvettes is different in the body then the 88. I just did up picture to help show it clearly and posted it up here...

.

Price wise.. from say Ecklers.. they are . .while stil in the USA so plus freight etc.
86-87 model (brand unknown - just not stated) US$200 = about A$278 ++
No remanufactured listed.
A 86-87 Brake master Cylinder kit is shown..(not interchangable with 88) at US$99.99. about A$138++

Locally at ... www.usgmsp.com they pretty well priced even in simple direct comparison... and considering they are HERE for next or same day delivery. .. with a local backup etc.. .. these A$273 , brand new.. GM /PBR original in the box done.... ....Delivered on line. Less then Ecklers in the USA, even before delivery etc.
A 86-87 Vette m/Cyl kit is not worth importing up against the next item.
A USA remanufactured M/cyl less resevior (reuse your original) is listed on www.usgmsp.com for A$185.90 .. delivered - exchange unit required within 3 weeks or $75 corec charge paid. These US Remanufactured units have proved faultless & are another priced alternative too...

The 1988 model is a one year only master.. (like many '88 Corvette parts) and is the same price at Ecklers USA of A$278+ delivery etc These are Brand is GM / PBR / Delco.
No remanufactured listed.
No master cylinder Kit is shown or listed.

Localy at www.usgmsp.com they are stocked & listed $364 ... they are dearer wholesale then the 86-87 models... These are brand new GM/PBR/ Delco.
www.usgmsp.com has also USA proffessionally remanufactued units listed & stocked at A$204.
No Master Cylinder kit is listed by GM or any other manufacturer that we now of for the 88 Vette.
All prices from www.usgmsp.com are already GST'd as well... unfortunately...

. .Thats all I wanted to point out.. ... there are always examples that can tilt either ways.. but the more important thing here is GOOD BRAKES DON"T REALLY COST THAT MUCH.... and should not be economised on..

;38 (sorry..... I don't mean to lecture.. probably just getting old and worry for some peoples sake etc)

MADVET · « **Reply #15 on:** January 06, 2006, 06:59:10 PM »

Thanks for clarifying Dave, i had suspected the same.
BTW we shall have to organize a track day to see just how fast that turbo Trans Am really is.;41 J/K

jolinari · « **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2006, 07:03:56 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by ozpont
G'day.. I just saw this and figured theres room for a bit of help... ..

1st: Its BRAKES your dealing with .. not a stereo or a gear knob... and as your life, your passengers and everybody else on the road depends on "Brakes".. never lone your car itself.. why are we so close to the mark on this stuff.. Regardless of who has what at what price.. its tough when your car doesn't start.. but deadly when it doesn't stop... ..
.. enough of the lecture.. you don't need it.. your all wise enough.

The 7/8th bore PBR M/Cyl, ( which are produced under strict USA GM Licensee hence why PBR here will not normally sell them) used on 86-87 Corvettes is different in the body then the 88. I just did up picture to help show it clearly and posted it up here... .

Price wise.. from say Ecklers.. they are . .while stil in the USA so plus freight etc.
86-87 model (brand unknown - just not stated) US$200 = about A$278 ++
No remanufactured listed.
A 86-87 Brake master Cylinder kit is shown..(not interchangable with 88) at US$99.99. about A$138++

Locally at ... www.usgmsp.com they pretty well priced even in simple direct comparison... and considering they are HERE for next or same day delivery. .. with a local backup etc.. .. these A$273 , brand new.. GM /PBR original in the box done.... ....Delivered on line. Less then Ecklers in the USA, even before delivery etc.
A 86-87 Vette m/Cyl kit is not worth importing up against the next item.
A USA remanufactured M/cyl less resevior (reuse your original) is listed on www.usgmsp.com for A$185.90 .. delivered - exchange unit required within 3 weeks or $75 corec charge paid. These US Remanufactured units have proved faultless & are another priced alternative too...

The 1988 model is a one year only master.. (like many '88 Corvette parts) and is the same price at Ecklers USA of A$278+ delivery etc These are Brand is GM / PBR / Delco.
No remanufactured listed.
No master cylinder Kit is shown or listed.

Localy at www.usgmsp.com they are stocked & listed $364 ... they are dearer wholesale then the 86-87 models... These are brand new GM/PBR/ Delco.
www.usgmsp.com has also USA proffessionally remanufactued units listed & stocked at A$204.
No Master Cylinder kit is listed by GM or any other manufacturer that we now of for the 88 Vette.
All prices from www.usgmsp.com are already GST'd as well... unfortunately...

. .Thats all I wanted to point out.. ... there are always examples that can tilt either ways.. but the more important thing here is GOOD BRAKES DON"T REALLY COST THAT MUCH.... and should not be economised on..

;38 (sorry..... I don't mean to lecture.. probably just getting old and worry for some peoples sake etc)

gr8 info!!!

Stingraynut · « **Reply #17 on:** January 08, 2006, 06:44:23 PM »

thanks for info ozpont - I know that the 88 front shockabsorbers are only for that year, now I find out the mastercylinder is too .

You said "The 1988 model is a one year only master.. (like many '88 Corvette parts" - what else is unique to the 88?

S'nut

Stingraynut · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2006, 07:08:46 PM »

I took my vette down to the brake workshop today -they rang me back to say the kit is not the right one, some of the seals will fit but other bits won't - plus it's not a full kit - valves etc missing. They can't locate any here in Cairns so are having to send my complete master cylinder to Brisbane for identification and parts.

This is EXACTLY what I was trying to avoid by planning ahead and finding out what parts fit.

From here, all kind of things can go wrong - and I'll be lucky to have it fixed by the weekend, what with all the posting to and from Brisbane. Plus that all adds to the cost.

I've notified PBR that they gave me the wrong advice

The workshop say the M/C is in good condition and doesn't need re-sleeving or anything, which is some good news at least.

S'nut

jolinari · « **Reply #19 on:** January 11, 2006, 07:29:56 PM »

sorry to hear that....good luck with it