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General Discussion Area => Corvette Related Chat => Topic started by: sikovit on August 03, 2008, 10:22:31 PM
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WHERES MY BLOODY 2ND PRIZE TROPHIE? THATS RIGHT, 2ND PRIZE AGAIN. ALWAYS TO THE SAME PERSON. WHEN IS THIS CLUB GONNA GET HALF SERIOUS ABOUT JUDGING CARS? I DONT MEAN PAYING PRO'S TO DO IT BUT HOW ABOUT GETTING OUR VOLUNTEER JUDGES TO SCOPE THE RANGE BEFORE ACTUALLY JUDGING THEM. MY ENGINE BAY KICKS ARSE BUT ONLY GOT 5 MORE POINTS THAN THE GUY THAT ALWAYS COMES FIRST AND HIS E/BAY IS PLAIN. OR IS IT BECAUSE IM NOT 80 YO AND DONT SOCIALISE WITH CLUB HIERACHY? KEEP THE TROPHIE IM DOIN WHAT MY MATES TOLD ME TO DO AGES AGO, IM NOT RENEWING MY M/SHIP.
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dont cry! i will give you some trophies
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Originally posted by sikovit
WHERES MY BLOODY 2ND PRIZE TROPHIE? THATS RIGHT, 2ND PRIZE AGAIN. ALWAYS TO THE SAME PERSON. WHEN IS THIS CLUB GONNA GET HALF SERIOUS ABOUT JUDGING CARS? I DONT MEAN PAYING PRO'S TO DO IT BUT HOW ABOUT GETTING OUR VOLUNTEER JUDGES TO SCOPE THE RANGE BEFORE ACTUALLY JUDGING THEM. MY ENGINE BAY KICKS ARSE BUT ONLY GOT 5 MORE POINTS THAN THE GUY THAT ALWAYS COMES FIRST AND HIS E/BAY IS PLAIN. OR IS IT BECAUSE IM NOT 80 YO AND DONT SOCIALISE WITH CLUB HIERACHY? KEEP THE TROPHIE IM DOIN WHAT MY MATES TOLD ME TO DO AGES AGO, IM NOT RENEWING MY M/SHIP.
It's a shame this wasn't handled a little more constructively.
Nobody has enquired with me about judging of cars or concerns with the process between now and Bella Vista ocurring over two months ago now. Nor has anybody expressed displeasure with the results. If anybody had complaints I genuinely would take the time to listen and discuss the matter.
If you had attempted to speak to me, you would have found that the judges were instructed to familiarise themselves with the field prior to judging. You also would have found that had you approached me about it you would have been able to have a discussion about our respective opinions on the process and perhaps come out of it with a different way of seeing things rather than anonymously posting your assumption that the process is biased or corrupt which discredits so many innocent people who are trying to do something in volunteering for their club.
I don't think the process is perfect, and a lot of excellent cars go home with nothing - not many get so upset about it though. Most are happy to enjoy the camraderie of the day and consider a trophy a bonus if they get one.
Rather than registering this username weeks ago and starting this thread today, you should have picked up the phone and spoken to myself or someone else on the committee about your concerns - it would have been far more adult and constructive.
I'll look into the matter of trophies tomorrow and see what is amiss.
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the engine bay does look good....is the REST of the car a dog?
grow up man.....you worried about a $2 trophey? OH MY GOD.....
take your ball and go home.....
VERY UN-AUSTRALIAN...............
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Does he have a POINT, and needs to be addressed .
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Bling only equals a trophy if you own a Ricer !!!!!!
Go buy a Corolla
http://www.toyota.com.au/corollaForms/index
*&^$ing Trophy Hunters
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:fun 2nd place!!! :grr :an
It's nice to be proud of your car but trophy hunters put me off the club scene ages ago!
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I believe part of this may be directed to me personally, so I'll respond.
Originally posted by sikovit
WHERES MY BLOODY 2ND PRIZE TROPHIE? THATS RIGHT, 2ND PRIZE AGAIN. ALWAYS TO THE SAME PERSON. WHEN IS THIS CLUB GONNA GET HALF SERIOUS ABOUT JUDGING CARS? I DONT MEAN PAYING PRO'S TO DO IT BUT HOW ABOUT GETTING OUR VOLUNTEER JUDGES TO SCOPE THE RANGE BEFORE ACTUALLY JUDGING THEM. MY ENGINE BAY KICKS ARSE BUT ONLY GOT 5 MORE POINTS THAN THE GUY THAT ALWAYS COMES FIRST AND HIS E/BAY IS PLAIN. OR IS IT BECAUSE IM NOT 80 YO AND DONT SOCIALISE WITH CLUB HIERACHY? KEEP THE TROPHIE IM DOIN WHAT MY MATES TOLD ME TO DO AGES AGO, IM NOT RENEWING MY M/SHIP.
You should have been handed your trophy on the day and if not, then very soon afterwards, so you have a legitimate complaint there, and that should be directed to the President or Vice President personally.
I would like to make a few points about the other issues raised:
Before every Show and Shine event the Committee calls for people to volunteer as judges. That call is open to every member. Volunteers, giving up their day, are behind every role and task in the Club.
Yes, your engine bay is very neat but there are 4 aspects judged, namely engine bay, interior, exterior and presentation -- perhaps attention needs to be paid to all components.
None of the Committee, which is the team that manages the club's activities, is anywhere near 80 years old, a fact that is immediately evident upon introducing yourself to them.
I don't always come first. The record shows that your car won that trophy last year.
Finally, this club prides itself on its friendly and social nature. If socialising is not your thing, fair enough, but it if it is then you are very welcome, along with all members, to join us on the many club events offered throughout the year.
There are no hard feelings on my part and I hope to see you at Bella Vista next year.
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best way to settle it? ...whoever is concerned each put 5 pics up....engine,interior,side profile,3/4 view front and back....
thats the only way.....
let whoever is on this forum decide.....
better yet....want an unbiased opionion? park both cars in a shopping mall....see which one draws the most crowd,and listen to the comments of joe public.
ive seen some real nice vettes,and ive seen some not so nice,BUT LOOK BETTER.....what the judges (whomever they may be) on the day decide is all that counts.....
all i can comment on is 72vet's car which i have only seen pics of on this forum....
to ME its a sweet ride....sits oh just right, (which i personally love) and is a nice colour.....WHICH POPS.... if that makes sense.....sikovit.... where is your ride? all i can see is an engine bay,thats does look sweet IMHO.....but what about the rest of the car? how good is the interior? paint? body?does it sit like a 4wd? ...i dont wish to upset anyone....but if you think you can judge better.....put your hand up.... THATS the problem..... people do this for free.... and sometimes cop abuse for it....
is that fair?
want better/accredited judges? who pays?
i can appreciate modified vettes as well as as stocky.... what do you suggest mate?
NCRS judges who wouldnt even look at a modified vette and award points to an original,even if it is not the best condition...but it is original?
or award point ON THE OVERALL CONDITION OF THE VETTE.....
without naming names.....how do you judge a replica of a car which is a car i fell in love with the moment i first seen pic of....(which is so rare its near impossible to get hold of a genuine) or the same year car that needs a bit of work to improve?...whats "looks" best....hard to beat the replica for shear WOW factor...but if went to NCRS judging they wouldnt award points for this....nor that
i know which way i would go....
i personally like vettes converted to wagons using the ecklers kit..... you may not.....
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I understand where you're coming from Nifty, but this isn't the place to try to re-run a NSW Club Show and Shine event that's done and dusted.
I don't believe there's anything to be "settled" other than "sikovit" being promptly delivered his trophy, which he should have received on the day it was awarded.
As others have said, there are more constructive ways of airing grievances with aspects of the Club's operation.
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Originally posted by gtc
I understand where you're coming from Nifty, but this isn't the place to try to re-run a NSW Club Show and Shine event that's done and dusted.
I don't believe there's anything to be "settled" other than "sikovit" being promptly delivered his trophy, which he should have received on the day it was awarded.
As others have said, there are more constructive ways of airing grievances with aspects of the Club's operation.
yeah your right gtc....but is it a case of sour grapes?
true im not a member of nsw club,or any club for that matter....but this is not the first ( or last ) time this has happened in ALL manner of sports/games/events....
bit like..."my dads better than your dad"
all im trying to say is....grow up....get a life....ITS A CAR......BIG DEAL......
is it worth losing friends over? thats all corvettes are to me...
an avenue of friendship.... you know what im talking about with the C.O.W.s gtc....true i dont own a vette anymore,and prob never will....but the friendship remains....if i never owned one,or wasnt interested in them i KNOW i wouldnt have these friends....
to throw friendship away over a 2 doller trophey? geeezus "h" christ...
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Originally posted by sikovit
WHERES MY BLOODY 2ND PRIZE TROPHIE? THATS RIGHT, 2ND PRIZE AGAIN. ALWAYS TO THE SAME PERSON. WHEN IS THIS CLUB GONNA GET HALF SERIOUS ABOUT JUDGING CARS? I DONT MEAN PAYING PRO'S TO DO IT BUT HOW ABOUT GETTING OUR VOLUNTEER JUDGES TO SCOPE THE RANGE BEFORE ACTUALLY JUDGING THEM. MY ENGINE BAY KICKS ARSE BUT ONLY GOT 5 MORE POINTS THAN THE GUY THAT ALWAYS COMES FIRST AND HIS E/BAY IS PLAIN. OR IS IT BECAUSE IM NOT 80 YO AND DONT SOCIALISE WITH CLUB HIERACHY? KEEP THE TROPHIE IM DOIN WHAT MY MATES TOLD ME TO DO AGES AGO, IM NOT RENEWING MY M/SHIP.
Nice rant. 8/10 You lose points for the lack of spelling errors and too much punctuation. Bonus points for all caps. Needs more "Don't you know who I am !!" style comments though.
Will read again. ;41;41;41;41;41
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Originally posted by nifty
best way to settle it? ...whoever is concerned each put 5 pics up....engine,interior,side profile,3/4 view front and back....
thats the only way.....
let whoever is on this forum decide.....
And we can give the winner a virtual trophy!!!!!
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I am totally against being competetive at any type of show. Anyone who makes an effort to bring something deserves the praise of their peers and the public and thats enough.
I have never been able to work out how one thing can be judged better than another (even the cars that arent perfect are still loved by someone).
People that are only driven by their egos only go home dissapointed in the end (even if they do win a trophy).
I have owned old cars and bikes since I could drive. I have only ever won one trophy for best paint on my Harley ( which I probably didnt deserve). The only other time I tried to win a trophy was at The bankstown Bike show where there was a specific category for my Model. I had just finished a concourse resto on this bike (1968 FLH) only to be beaten by a guy that had bought a brand new one 6 weeks before (work that one out).
All my cars are drivers. I love going to shows and showing off my stuff. What I like more is driving off when Im done after having a good day.
After restoring cars for myself and others over the last 20 years it always amazes me how some of my customers are driven more by recognition rather than the passion for the object even to the point of saying they did it all themselves the (most recent example being that "Cryptonite" T Bucket at Motorex). I painted it and another guy put it together.
The only competition that should be entertained is one where there is a clear winner such as sport whether it be physical or mechanical (racing). My two bobs worth.
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Bootlegger, you have a U2U
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Originally posted by mick
Bling only equals a trophy if you own a Ricer !!!!!!
Go buy a Corolla
http://www.toyota.com.au/corollaForms/index
*&^$ing Trophy Hunters
Don't knock toyota's they're good cars. My hilux has done 550klms and still going strong. But for 15 grand I'd rather buy your vette!
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i got a corolla....and by FAR its a better car than the 74 vette i had will ever be.....so wheres the pics of your car sikovit? im curious to see just how good this car is.
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Originally posted by sikovit
Originally posted by mick
Bling only equals a trophy if you own a Ricer !!!!!!
Go buy a Corolla
http://www.toyota.com.au/corollaForms/index
*&^$ing Trophy Hunters
Don't knock toyota's they're good cars. My hilux has done 550klms and still going strong. But for 15 grand I'd rather buy your vette!
:p. After everything thats been said here you reply with THIS ;29 UNBELAVIBLE :flower
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Those of you who have been around for a while will remember the same sort of fuss erupted at and after the melbourne convention....judging is a thankless painful task but if it isn't done voluntarily it doesn't get done at all.....everybody is convinced they have the best looking vette....at least performance is easiest to test....you go fastest you are the best without any possibility of argument....what looks best varies a lot....i love the look of my dark brown 74r....by the total lack of any trophies,no one else likes it.But hey,i don't give a stuff what anyone else thinks,i like it just fine.I do not need external approbation and accolades to validate my choice of vehicle.;35;35;35;34
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Originally posted by jdunne
Those of you who have been around for a while will remember the same sort of fuss erupted at and after the melbourne convention....judging is a thankless painful task but if it isn't done voluntarily it doesn't get done at all.....everybody is convinced they have the best looking vette....at least performance is easiest to test....you go fastest you are the best without any possibility of argument....what looks best varies a lot....i love the look of my dark brown 74r....by the total lack of any trophies,no one else likes it.But hey,i don't give a stuff what anyone else thinks,i like it just fine.I do not need external approbation and accolades to validate my choice of vehicle.;35;35;35;34
i tally agree....in the 7 mths i had my 74 i loved it,took to 3 shows and got a 2nd and a first place....
they collecting dust on my cupboard as we speak...
did i deserve the troheys? not my call...i didnt judge them.but i CAN say is the first place trophey had 5 vettes entered.....along with the other makes.....it won BEST CAR....70-75.....
i didnt really look at the other makes that much,so will compare against the other vettes....
mine had a nice engine bay,average interior,and a perfect paint job in white.....
compared to for arguments sake my buddies 69' 427/400hp coupe...
his interior....BRAND NEW ORIGINAL STYLE....
but his body and paint no where near the quality of mine....
another buddies 73....
NEW ENGINE bay ..custom interior, with home made digital dash,and new fiberglass surrounds to replace the originals....
IMHO ....they were BOTH better on the inside,with the 73 having the best engine bay....
but depending on WHO'S judging is to what the see.....
i will post a couple of pics of the cars involved.....i know which car i would have chosen to win.....
mine (being white helps) STANDS out far more than the other cars......first views sometimes last the longest.....mint body and paint v's excellant interior and engine bay may not help much in the long term of winning points....
my 74.....
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i7/nifty_2006/carshow028.jpg)
the 73 interior......HE MADE HIMSELF.....
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i7/nifty_2006/carshow004.jpg)
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i7/nifty_2006/010-1.jpg)
the 69.....
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i7/nifty_2006/002.jpg)
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what looks the best? you may say the 69 looks fantastic.....but what you CANT see is the scratches (touched up with wrong brown shade)and the hole in the rear tail from transport ex usa....(patched up with duct tape)
must also be mentioned that the 69 is NOT ready for the road......its not being driven as yet,except for this wedding that we had 4 vettes in....he got a permit to do so,but the car will not see rego until it is completed with the reapairs to body done and a new paint job....
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Just ignore him fellas
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Sorry guys nothing against Toyota's. My wife's got an MR2.
I was just joking around. ;30
I was just so shocked by the original negative comment.
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Originally posted by Vette Obsessed
Originally posted by sikovit
WHERES MY BLOODY 2ND PRIZE TROPHIE? THATS RIGHT, 2ND PRIZE AGAIN. ALWAYS TO THE SAME PERSON. WHEN IS THIS CLUB GONNA GET HALF SERIOUS ABOUT JUDGING CARS? I DONT MEAN PAYING PRO'S TO DO IT BUT HOW ABOUT GETTING OUR VOLUNTEER JUDGES TO SCOPE THE RANGE BEFORE ACTUALLY JUDGING THEM. MY ENGINE BAY KICKS ARSE BUT ONLY GOT 5 MORE POINTS THAN THE GUY THAT ALWAYS COMES FIRST AND HIS E/BAY IS PLAIN. OR IS IT BECAUSE IM NOT 80 YO AND DONT SOCIALISE WITH CLUB HIERACHY? KEEP THE TROPHIE IM DOIN WHAT MY MATES TOLD ME TO DO AGES AGO, IM NOT RENEWING MY M/SHIP.
It's a shame this wasn't handled a little more constructively.
Nobody has enquired with me about judging of cars or concerns with the process between now and Bella Vista ocurring over two months ago now. Nor has anybody expressed displeasure with the results. If anybody had complaints I genuinely would take the time to listen and discuss the matter.
If you had attempted to speak to me, you would have found that the judges were instructed to familiarise themselves with the field prior to judging. You also would have found that had you approached me about it you would have been able to have a discussion about our respective opinions on the process and perhaps come out of it with a different way of seeing things rather than anonymously posting your assumption that the process is biased or corrupt which discredits so many innocent people who are trying to do something in volunteering for their club.
I don't think the process is perfect, and a lot of excellent cars go home with nothing - not many get so upset about it though. Most are happy to enjoy the camraderie of the day and consider a trophy a bonus if they get one.
Rather than registering this username weeks ago and starting this thread today, you should have picked up the phone and spoken to myself or someone else on the committee about your concerns - it would have been far more adult and constructive.
I'll look into the matter of trophies tomorrow and see what is amiss.
No.1 I'm sorry this post finally made you do something about this trophie. No. 2 I've been a judge at a previous B/V show and was amazed that none of us were instructed on the judging process. I (and the other 5) were given a piece of paper & pen and were told to take 5 points away from 100 for every defect, and that is the score. No 3. I'm not anonymous, you have my details. Where were you going to send my trophie then?. Did you ever have any intention of sending it? No 4. I'm adult enough thanks. Perhaps you should try to be some & chuck in a bit of responsibility as well, maybe then I would have got my trophie.
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Originally posted by nifty
i got a corolla....and by FAR its a better car than the 74 vette i had will ever be.....so wheres the pics of your car sikovit? im curious to see just how good this car is.
[ /quote] No prob. Whats your email.
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Originally posted by STEAK n CHIPS
Originally posted by sikovit
Originally posted by mick
Bling only equals a trophy if you own a Ricer !!!!!!
Go buy a Corolla
http://www.toyota.com.au/corollaForms/index
*&^$ing Trophy Hunters
Don't knock toyota's they're good cars. My hilux has done 550klms and still going strong. But for 15 grand I'd rather buy your vette!
:p. After everything thats been said here you reply with THIS ;29 UNBELAVIBLE :flower
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C'mon buddy, don't be so sensitive. Maybe you should buy the corolla.
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Ok you lot. You have had ya fun. This is not going anywhere or being productive in any way. Give it a rest or I'll close it.
End of story
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Originally posted by jolinari
Just ignore him fellas
They just can't help themselves mate. YOU replied twice already. ;laugh