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General Discussion Area => Corvette Related Chat => Topic started by: Cameron 77C3 on March 12, 2007, 06:50:32 PM

Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Cameron 77C3 on March 12, 2007, 06:50:32 PM
Just a little question for you all to ponder while I'm away again.

When Michelle and I went to Canberra we caught up with Boschy, his dad and Madvet.

I took some snaps of Boschy senior's vette and Madvets Porsche.

I got to yapping to Madvet when he asked me did I know who designed this Porsche with it's front mounted V8.

Have a good look at the pics then see if you can figure out who was the original designer of this blue beast.

Madvet and Boschy, you two keep out of this. ;48


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Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: MADLT1 on March 12, 2007, 06:55:47 PM
was it zora arkus duntov?
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Cameron 77C3 on March 12, 2007, 09:09:44 PM
I'll let madvet answer this one when he comes back on line.
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Vette Obsessed on March 12, 2007, 09:29:53 PM
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Originally posted by Cameron 77C3
I'll let madvet answer this one when he comes back on line.


You might need to change the thread title then. ;53
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Cameron 77C3 on March 12, 2007, 09:40:09 PM
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Originally posted by Vette Obsessed
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Originally posted by Cameron 77C3
I'll let madvet answer this one when he comes back on line.


You might need to change the thread title then. ;53


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Ok funny bugger....I did ;48 ;39
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: MADVET on March 12, 2007, 10:36:09 PM
So Cam am i supposed to stay out until someone answers the question?LOL;53
or do i answer the question and then stay out?;53


OOPS! I think i'm already in.;ay
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Cameron 77C3 on March 12, 2007, 10:43:30 PM
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Originally posted by MADVET
So Cam am i supposed to stay out until someone answers the question?LOL;53
or do i answer the question and then stay out?;53


OOPS! I think i'm already in.;ay


No wonder you, Vo and Boschy get on so well.

Some body save me ;30 ;39

Just let them know if they are right or wrong in their answers until someone gets it right then fill them in on any info you may have.

PS thanks again for breaky that day.  Our shout next time round.;42
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Vette Obsessed on March 12, 2007, 10:49:39 PM
Nice 928 MADVET, I've liked those things for a looong time.  A GTS is tempting if a little outside my budget. ;30
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Cameron 77C3 on March 12, 2007, 10:50:54 PM
...........And they have quiet power steering too ;54

(pay back begins)
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: MADVET on March 12, 2007, 11:00:51 PM
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No wonder you, Vo and Boschy get on so well.

Some body save me ;30 ;39

Just let them know if they are right or wrong in their answers until someone gets it right then fill them in on any info you may have.

PS thanks again for breaky that day.  Our shout next time round.;42 [/quote]Ok no probs Cam;--
Nope sorry MADLT1 it wasn't good ol Zora although he was from the same era. (can i give hints?......oh i guess i just did)



ps You're most welcome Cam, it was great to catch up;42
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Vette Obsessed on March 12, 2007, 11:02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Cameron 77C3
...........And they have quiet power steering too ;54

(pay back begins)


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Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: MADVET on March 12, 2007, 11:12:39 PM
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Originally posted by Vette Obsessed
Nice 928 MADVET, I've liked those things for a looong time.  A GTS is tempting if a little outside my budget. ;30
Thanks VO, I've owned this one for about nine years and absolutely love it. A GTS or a GT are the ones to have although as you said a bit pricey and quite rare
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: MADVET on March 12, 2007, 11:14:31 PM
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Originally posted by Cameron 77C3
...........And they have quiet power steering too ;54

(pay back begins)
Yes they do;45
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Cameron 77C3 on March 16, 2007, 09:33:50 AM
So would any body else like to have a stab at the answer?  Madvet, may be you could post a clue.
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: MADVET on March 16, 2007, 02:38:40 PM
Ok, for those that are familiar with corvette history;
Clue;  
This particular gent was part of the design team working under William Mitchell that had designed such cars as the "STINGRAY RACER".
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: 70vette on March 16, 2007, 03:19:13 PM
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Originally posted by MADVET
Ok, for those that are familiar with corvette history;
Clue;  
This particular gent was part of the design team working under William Mitchell that had designed such cars as the "STINGRAY RACER".


Are we talking about Larry Shinoda?;41
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: MADLT1 on March 16, 2007, 04:12:53 PM
my money is on larry tooooo;46;46;46;46
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Cameron 77C3 on March 16, 2007, 07:03:22 PM
Hmmmmm, could this be the man?  We will see what Madvet has to say.

But in the intrim here are a few tid bits of interest on Larry

AN INTERVIEW WITH LARRY SHINODA

by TOM BENFORD

This article originally appeared in the
December 1997 issue of Vette Magazine

(http://www.splashedpaint.com/cameron/ForumPicPrompts07/LARRYSHINODA/decvette.jpg)

PHOTOS © 1997 by LIZ BENFORD
 

If anyone ever put a Car Designer Hall of Fame Roster together, Larry Shinoda would most certainly be near the top of the list; the Corvette Sting Ray, the Z-28 Camaro and the Boss 302 Mustang are but three major works to his credit in the past, with his more contemporary accomplishments including the Rick Mears Corvette and the Shinoda Boss for the current-generation Mustang. The Shinoda Design signature will be influencing a special edition of the Ford Contour, a limited production run of his C5 Split Window Prototype and a new signature line of Cragar wheels. Larry and I have spoken many times on the phone, but it was at the recent Corvettes at Carlisle show that we finally got together face to face. Over dinner at the California Café Larry filled in some the blanks in his history for me and my wife, Liz, and I'm happy to share this candid interview with you here.


To read the rest of this article click on the below picture of Larry
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Lawrence Kiyoshi Shinoda
March 25, 1930 - November 13, 1997



Here also is another interestin tid bit:-



DEVELOPMENT OF THE STING RAY

As a boy in California during World War II, Larry Shinoda was held in an internment camp for Japanese Americans. As a young man, he built hot rods and drag-raced them on the streets of Los Angeles. And as an adult, he designed the 1963 Corvette Stingray, widely considered one of the most beautiful and quintessentially American cars to roll off Detroit's assembly lines. -Suzanne Siegel
The Corvette Sting Ray, the Z-28 Camaro, and the BOSS 302 Mustang were all designed by Larry Shinoda. Larry, a Los Angles, California native, went to work for Ford Motor Company in 1955 after being kicked out of the Art Center College of Design in Los Angles for being in Larry's words "a malcontent". He stayed at Ford for one year, then moved to.........


To read more click Larrys Picture Below
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And last but not least:-


Mako Shark I:  Interview with Larry Shinoda

The story of Mako Shark II can't really start without saying a few words about Mako I. After all, the whole "shark" theme was Mitchell's idea and many of the ideas found on Mako II were also on Mako I. The "shark" theme was such an influence on Bill that it just had to carry-on for several years. This was the start of the famous story about the paint guys having to repaint Bill's fish to match the car, too. But since I've told that one so often, I'm not going to repeat it here. It is enough to say that the iridescent blue top body fading to a white underbody was a real challenge for the paint technology of the day but, when you look back, it was really a show-stopper.............

To read the rest of this article CLICK ME (http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/specs/prototypes/mako1.html)



So was it Larry or not.  What have you found VO?
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Vette Obsessed on March 16, 2007, 07:13:06 PM
Did Larry Shinoda really design it guys?  I really don't know - just asking...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_928

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Design

The 928 featured a large, front-mounted and water-cooled V8 engine driving the rear wheels. Originally displacing 4.5 L and featuring a single overhead camshaft, it produced 219 hp (163 kW/222 PS) for the North American market and 240 PS (176 kW/237 hp) in other markets. Porsche upgraded the engine from mechanical to electronic fuel injection in 1980 for US models, although power remained the same. This design marked a major change in direction for Porsche (started with the introduction of the 924 in 1976), whose cars had until then used only rear- or mid-mounted air-cooled flat engines with four or six cylinders.

Porsche utilized a transaxle in the 928 to help achieve 50/50 front/rear weight distribution, aiding the car's balance. Although it weighed more than the difficult to handle 911, its more neutral weight balance and higher power output gave it similar performance on the track. The 928 was regarded as the more relaxing car to drive at the time. It came with either a five-speed dog leg manual transmission, or a Mercedes-Benz-derived automatic transmission, originally with three speeds, later with four. Most cars were specified with the automatic transmission.

The body, styled by Wolfgang Möbius under guidance of Anatole Lapine, was mainly galvanised steel, but the doors, front fenders and hood were aluminium. It had a substantial luggage area accessed via a large hatchback. The new polyurethane elastic bumpers were integrated into the nose and tail and covered in body-coloured plastic; an unusual feature for the time that aided the car visually and reduced its drag. Porsche opted not to offer a convertible variant but some aftermarket modifiers offer convertible conversions.

The 928 qualified as a 2+2, having two small seats in the rear. Both rear seats could be folded down to enlarge the luggage area, and both the front and rear seats had sun visors for occupants. The 928 was also the first vehicle in which the instrument binnacle moved with the adjustable steering wheel, a feature seen more recently on Nissan's 350Z sports car.

The 928 included several other innovations such as the "Weissach Axle", an early all-wheel steering system that provides passive rear-wheel steering in certain off-throttle cornering situations, and an unsleeved, silicon alloy engine block made of aluminium, which reduced weight and provided a highly durable cylinder bore. The concept of all-wheel steering was also adopted later on to several Japanese automobiles, including a Japanese-market version of the Toyota Celica, the Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 and the second generation Nissan 300ZX.

Porsches efforts in design and development payed of in European Car of the Year competition when 928 won in 1978 against BMW 7-series and Ford Granada. 928 is only sport car so far to have won this competition where usual winners are mainstream hatchbacks and sedans/saloons from major European manufacturers. Proof of how advanced car 928 was against its contemporaries when introduced.
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Cameron 77C3 on March 16, 2007, 07:41:09 PM
"Porsche utilized a transaxle in the 928 to help achieve 50/50 front/rear weight distribution, "

Now where else have I heard of that being used?
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Vette Obsessed on March 16, 2007, 07:42:03 PM
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Originally posted by Cameron 77C3
"Porsche utilized a transaxle in the 928 to help achieve 50/50 front/rear weight distribution, "

Now where else have I heard of that being used?


Yeah, we're just a few years late.

Now, about those leaf springs... ;41
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: MADVET on March 16, 2007, 10:25:02 PM
Hmmm some interesting homework being done.
No sorry guys it wasn't Larry Shinoda but you're on the right track.
VO you have highlighted the answer.;laugh
Anatole Lapine or Tony Lapine as he is known in the english speaking world was the design studio engineer and along with a few others worked closely with Larry Shinoda under Bill Mitchell to develop the Stingray racer which was the car that influenced the design of the 63 to 67 vettes.
Tony Lapine left GM (probably had enough of the bickering between Duntov and Mitchell) and went to work for Porsche.
Porsche at the time were looking for some fresh ideas as they believed their 911 with its engine slung out the back behind the rear axle line was aproching its use by date. Porsche weren't looking at replacing the 911 but wanted something they could market along side the 911 and could be easily developed further.
Tony Lapines 928 design incorporated an alloy V8 engine up front with a transaxle mounted up the back, as stated above this made a perfect 50/50 weight distribution. C5 and C6 owners would be quite familiar with this set up.
The first 928 rolled of the production line in 1977 and the last in 1995. The 928 wasn't favoured by the Porsche purists as it didn't feature the air cooled flat six hanging out the back, a Porsche trademark (and VW).
Interestingly the 928 is also known as a shark (or landshark) amongst the 928 clubs and in the US it has often been refered to as the german corvette.

So VO it looks like you win a free trip to Fyshwick next time you're in town;41




;46
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Vette Obsessed on March 16, 2007, 10:41:41 PM
Ooops - sorry if I let the cat out of the bag early guys.  ;40

That prize sounds good MADVET - I can be there in about 2.5 hours... ;46
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Cameron 77C3 on March 16, 2007, 10:52:07 PM
Well done VO.  Fyshwick....you'd be right at home there. ;39

Here is a little more info on the 928 and a little Tony

In 1977, Porsche introduced the 928 at the Geneva Auto Show as a potential replacement for the 911. Design and development of the vehicle began in 1971. The 928 was designed as a luxurious car and a grand tourer, but with its excellent weight distribution and V8 engine, it was a performance machine. In 1978 it was awarded the prestigious European Car of the Year.


Ernst Fuhrman, Porsche's Managing Director during the design and production.............

Click the pic to read more
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Thanks for your input Madvet
Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: MADVET on March 16, 2007, 11:47:22 PM
No probs Cam.
I'm almost as enthusiastic about these cars as i am about Corvettes.

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Title: Who designed this? Madvet stay out until question answered. LOL
Post by: Vette Obsessed on March 17, 2007, 12:00:54 AM
Nice choice of tyres MADVET (and very nice ride you have there :v).