NSW Corvettes
Technical Tips => Importing - Cars & Parts. Also RMS (RTA) Regs => Topic started by: rosco on September 05, 2015, 09:05:01 PM
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Just pulled this of the Mustang Owners Club site.
Makes for interesting reading.
Anyone else have any more information on this, to me it looks great.
Rosco
Dear customer
Thank you for your interest in the Log Book trial announced by the Minister for Roads, Maritime and Freight which will commence on 1 October 2015.
The trial will allow all operators of existing vehicles within the Historic Vehicle Scheme to opt-in. These vehicles may then be used for 60 days of general use (i.e. club events, maintenance and personal use) each year. Each day’s use must be recorded in the Log Book.
Existing operators
To opt in, the registered operator or their representative must attend a registry or service centre with:
- proof of identity such as a NSW driver licence,
- the current Certificate of Conditional Registration (if available),
- the current Certificate of Approved Operations (if available)
- a completed Adjustment of records to have the vehicle’s conditions updated
(http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/about/forms/45070212-adjustment-of-records.pdf (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/about/forms/45070212-adjustment-of-records.pdf)).
New operators
New entrants to the Historic Vehicle Scheme after the trial commences may apply for inclusion in the Log Book Trial, subject to the existing historic vehicle and registered operator eligibility criteria.
To conditionally register a vehicle in the Historic Vehicle Scheme, customers must provide:
- a completed Application for Conditional Registration form (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/about/forms/45070939-conditional-reg.pdf (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/about/forms/45070939-conditional-reg.pdf))
- proof of identity such as a NSW driver licence
- Proof of registration entitlement (eg an original receipt for the vehicle, which clearly shows the buyer’s name, the seller’s name, address and signature, the VIN or Chassis/frame or serial number and the date of acquisition)
- A Historic Vehicle Declaration not greater than 42 days old
(http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/about/forms/45070967-historic-vehicle-declaration.pdf (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/about/forms/45070967-historic-vehicle-declaration.pdf))
Note: a vehicle safety inspection report must be presented if the club is less than two years old.
Existing and new operators will be issued:
- Certificate of Conditional Registration
- Certificate of Approved Operations, with the updated conditions
- Historic Vehicle Log Book Trial form
Historic vehicles (including trailers) must be 30 years of age or older as from the year of manufacture.
Historic vehicles must be as close to original condition as possible, with no alterations except for safety features such as seat belts and turn indicators or period accessories and options, if desired.
The registered operator must be a member of a Roads and Maritime recognised historic vehicle club (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/vehicle-sheets/historic-vehicle-clubs.pdf (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/vehicle-sheets/historic-vehicle-clubs.pdf)).
If you have further questions, please contact Roads and Maritime Services on 13 22 13.
Yours sincerely
Roads and Maritime Services
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The registered operator must be a member of a Roads and Maritime recognised historic vehicle club
I reckon that ought to read "must be a current financial member ..."
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Just pulled this of the Mustang Owners Club site.
There's a lot of discussion on the their forum too; have a read here:
http://www.mustang.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,27968.0.html (http://www.mustang.org.au/forum/index.php/topic,27968.0.html)
s
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Interesting. Would be better if you could keep your own plates on the vehicle.
I wouldn't mind needing a window sticker if I could keep my plates.
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Looks like middle ground between current NSW and Victorian schemes.
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Does this mean an amendment is required to the clubs constitution to recognise this change?
Lefty
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When all details of the trial scheme are known, we will look at what possible changes may be needed to our historic vehicle constitution, and to any Club operating procedures.
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Sabre. How did you read that file. I tried opening and it looks like machine language ie gobley gook.
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I fell the under laying reason long term for this posible change , will me more and higher government fees
Be wear the trojan horse.
Bfit
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I feel the underlying reason long term for this possible change will me more and higher government fees
Beware the trojan horse.
Bfit
Absolutely, it could be just the incentive to get all those historic cars out of garages collecting dust and onto the roads and paying fees.
;)
s
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Sabre. How did you read that file. I tried opening and it looks like machine language ie gobley gook.
Any pdf (printer definition file) application will open it. Adobe is the common one but there are lots of competing brands. You should be able to download one for free.
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I fell the under laying reason long term for this posible change , will me more and higher government fees
Be wear the trojan horse.
Bfit
I suspect you're right Bfit. I was talking to a Victorian using their scheme. He said their rego is $360 for the 90 day use registration. Didn't say if that included CTP. My reading is that at this stage you can stay with the current system or opt for a trial of the new one. If that remains and you currently manage with just club runs and the occasional private run, you probably wouldn't change. If it is offered however, some on full registration currently, who use their car less than5 times a month, might get a better deal. As Vettnut said, more details needed.
:huh:
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I suspect you're right Bfit. I was talking to a Victorian using their scheme. He said their rego is $360 for the 90 day use registration. Didn't say if that included CTP.
Talk is the NSW system will be pro rata, so for 60 days out of 365 days, it'll be:
60/365 x current rate
or 16.44% of whatever you're paying now. I believe the discount rego price will be introduced first then the insurers will eventually get on board.
s
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Topics have been merged into the one
Camo :hi:
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This is current and now up and running.
Found this link by RMS on the sysyem, very easy to read and very well detailed.
This is a major bonus for the current club rego system and while under the trial no increase in cost at all.
There was a bit of talk last night at the AGM about the system cancelled or on hold, this is NOT CORRECT its up and running now.
Here is the link.
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/historic-vehicles/log-book-trial.html (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/historic-vehicles/log-book-trial.html)
regards Rosco
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This is current and now up and running.
Found this link by RMS on the sysyem, very easy to read and very well detailed.
This is a major bonus for the current club rego system and while under the trial no increase in cost at all.
There was a bit of talk last night at the AGM about the system cancelled or on hold, this is NOT CORRECT its up and running now.
Here is the link.
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/historic-vehicles/log-book-trial.html (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/historic-vehicles/log-book-trial.html)
regards Rosco
Consistent with the advice I provided to the club last night.
The club registrar needs to indicate the clubs willingness to participate in the scheme.
Jorge is listed as the appropriate person. NSW Corvettes is not currently participating.
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Totally correct and I did remember you stating that last night. :hi:
Just thought I would get it out there for the members that did not attend last night.
Having a look at the clubs that have already opted in, (very few at this stage)the majority are the custom clubs.
It would appear all our club needs to do is send of the email to opt in and away we go.
It looks like a win win for the first two yrs and then can re-evaluate . :pepper:
Rosco
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G'day does anyone know if a vehicle over 30 years old but been converted to rhd still qualify for this type of rego, I have checked local rms a few months back but they said it wouldnt due to the conversion but they also told me other stuff that was found to be incorrect. Thanks
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Please call me 0423 251 121
Jorge ( club plate registrar )
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All the advice indicates any vehicle currently on historic rego is OK and that the next phase will include significantly modified vehicles.
I did read that any modification to make a vehicle compliant with Aust standards was not considered a modification for historic rego.
My reading indicates RHD conversion will not be a problem providing it has been approved ie currently registered.
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Hi all,
The Historic plate registrar (Jorge), is adding our club to the RMS trial classic car registrar, this means that if you wish to try this system ., you can! RMS is also going to trial modified classic rego, Do yourself a favor, and check out the RMS website so you have an idea of what is required of you ,before you ask Jorge to help. You must fill out a log book,and that logbook will be supplied by RMS (you have to pick it up yourself). If you fail to keep the log book up to date fines occur and loss of rego. It is possible to retain you rego plates, but again check the RMS website and know what you get and are responsible for. bye for now R.N.
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... check the RMS website and know what you get and are responsible for.
Here: http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/historic-vehicles/log-book-trial.html (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/historic-vehicles/log-book-trial.html)
If you are converting from full registration to conditional registration, you must surrender the full registration and number plates. You may be eligible for a refund of the unused portion of the vehicle tax or registration charge. Please note that a cancellation fee applies. You may also have the full registration number plates reserved at the registry or service centre or issued to a different vehicle for a fee. Distinctive historic vehicle number plates are issued with the conditional registration for a fee.
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More to the RMS sager, We as a club have applied to RMS for addition to the new" historical plate register " . We now have to wait to see if the RMS accepts our request, for addition to the new trial, as not all clubs will be accepted,( why I do not know ). It seems that this trial is to be taken by a trial amount of clubs, maybe it is easier for them to manage, I do not know. Well we have done all that we can to get the ball rolling now it is up to the RMS> Stay tuned "same battime, same batchannel" WE wil keep you informed. RN
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just checked we are now on the approved list for the new rego trial. :banana:
Thank you to all that were involved with getting this going from the Club.
Will be up to RMS on Monday will let you all know how things go.
Rosco
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Question
why are we rushing in to pay more fore a new system
I'm curious, is it so much better than the old system.
I see some benefits, but can you trust the government? You know they are going to screw you!
Truck you over, some might say
Bfit
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All recent threads of this subject have been merged into the one thread and that thread moved to the appropriate section on the forum here
Camo :hi:
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:thumbup:
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Luv ya work Cam. :thumb:
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HELLO MEMBERS --JUST TO CONFERM ( YES ) WE ARE NOW IN THE NEW REGO TRIAL --ROSCO, GIVE US DETAILS OF HOW YOU WENT .
REGARDS
JORGE
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:thumbup:
:thumb: :thumb:
Did we get an outcome Rosco ?
What is the Cost ?
Pity you cant keep you Plate (non H ) :(
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Yep went down as soon as the club had been added, all good no problems at all other than RMS had only done a couple of them and it took all little sorting out on there end.
Cost is nothing at all if you are already on club plates, but if not cost for first yr is $98 and that includes your green slip. Second yr it's only $55.
I don't drive the vet sixty days a yr anyway and the added freedom to take it out when I want really is a great bonus.
Current rego cost,s on my other cars are around $900-$1000 a yr with green slip.
Buddy give me a pm and I will give you my cell number and give me a call.
And yes you cannot keep your plate if you are on normal rego but if you really like your plate number put it in storage with RMS and you are still way in front till you want to go back to them.
At the moment this is by far the best rego going for a classic. It may go up at the end of the trial which is Oct 2017 and go in line with the Vic System which is double this but still at a $145 it's still a win.
Ps all club runs do not count on your sixty days either they are extras.
Rosco
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Thanks Heaps Rosco :cheers:
At this point in time I wont part with OUR69 "plates" so I'll stay as is however is great to know much cheaper option available now that still gives us some freedom :thumb:
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Freedom of choice got to love that, one of the better parts of living in this country. :grin:
Rosco
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Rossco,
Any further avail on this matter , i.e. plates and what is available ? or just the same club plates ?
Jethro
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Nothing changed that I know of Jethro, but sirfixalot just went through it a month ago he may be able to shed some more light on the matter
Rosco
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thats what triggered it Rossco, seen a pic of Geoff's Vette with Club plates on it :tears: :tears: :tears:
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Just in from Council of Motor Clubs
COMPREHENSIVE INSURANCE & THE LOG BOOK SCHEME
We have been made aware via the CHMC (Bush Council) magazine,
the Bush Telegraph, that there may be some issues with
comprehensive insurance cover.
Seems that some members contacted NRMA Insurance to check on their cover when using
their vehicles on the 60 day logbook scheme trial.
They say they were told by NRMA Insurance that if the use of the vehicle is not for hobby or
recreational purposes then the cover in their policy is void.
Stated that if it is for private use such as going to the shops or picking up children from
school then there is no coverage.
Hard to define, as going to the shops for a cup of coffee may be considered recreational?
Also informed that they consider that a limit of ten days in any one month is all that the
vehicle can be used for. This may restrict some members who are going on trips with their
club.
You may be able to notify NRMA of a longer trip and they will consider it depending on your
particular history and claims (if any).
The information above is second or third hand but from a reliable source in our opinion.
We contacted Shannons to check what their ideas were and we were told that if the vehicle
is used within the rules of the registration system it is on, then the vehicle is covered by their
policy.
They are monitoring the NSW claims coming in since the Oct 2015 introduction of the
logbook trial to see if anything changes but, at this stage they see no reason to alter policies
or premiums.
We suggest that if you have a policy with any other insurer apart from Shannons it might be a
wise move to enquire about your cover.
Terry Thompson OAM
President, Council of Motor Clubs Inc
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The NRMA representative that was invited to the club meeting some months ago also stated this in his address to the members present.
One member of the club has come foul of this already.
Rosco
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My opinion of the NRMA ,
I count not put in writing , as I would not want to test the administrators tolerance .
My experiance
I was tossed out of the nrma,when I was involved in an accident
I was stoped at tragic light, five vehicles from the intersection, at north Wollongong , when I was ploughed from behind .
So I loose my insurance . And could not get and motor vehicle insurance for some 15 years after that.
Some how my vehicle being pushed 18 ft forward and hitting the car I front of me was my fault , not to mention my vehicle was 4 ft shorter.
As far as I am concerned the NRMA are a bunch of phuck wits. In saying that I am trying to be polite .
47 years has not changed my opinion.
I do not have a high opinion of any insurance company.
Bfit
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Bobby, its not good to bottle up those emotions , let them out son :grin:
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On a serious note , i've been tossing up with going to the log book system myself , to save some cash. However I can't seem to keep thinking to myself, self wonder is the Gov have an ulterior motive? Never been like the system to want and loose $$$ and in this method they do!
Plus the other side is we loose our69 plates :tears:
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Jethro transfer the vette plates our69 to the family car !! 👍👍😃😃